<div dir="ltr">That was my understanding, its just the link between the Incident Report & Incident is odd... You have to create an Incident Report, investigate, then go BACK AFTER you create an incident to tie the incident to the incident report.... just seems like a better workflow to add 1:M incident reports to an incident (you could have one incident report turn into an incident or perhaps three different people report the same behavior & treat it as one incident) so that confused me.<div>
<br></div><div style>Thanks for your help.</div><div style><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr">--<br>Kevin Holleran<br>Master of Science, Computer Information Systems<br>Grand Valley State University<br>
Master of Business Administration<br>Western Michigan University<br><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">SANS GCFA, </span>SANS GCFE, CCNA, ISA, MCSA, MCDST, MCP<br><div><br>"Do today what others won't, do tomorrow what others can't" - SEALFit<div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 6:13 AM, James McLoughlin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:James.McLoughlin@ja.net" target="_blank">James.McLoughlin@ja.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hello Kevin,<br>
<br>
I think that you may be taking the word 'report' too literally.<br>
In this instance it is used to describe 'new information that has been received'.<br>
<br>
Take the following example:<br>
"We have had a report that there might be scanning coming from x.x.x.x. Please can you investigate.<br>
The Janet work flow would then compromise of the following:<br>
<br>
1. Read 'incident report' (new information that has been received).<br>
2. Validate<br>
3. Decide whether to open an incident and start an investigation<br>
<br>
So an incident report is : a report of an incident occurring<br>
<br>
<br>
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Good afternoon,<br>
<br>
I have configured both an RT/IR instance for Incident Response & an RT4 instance that we are going to use for a handful of approval workflows. Through this process, I think I understand a bit better how RT works. I have also reviewed the JANET.pdf document which led me to the below workflow.<br>
<br>
However, I am still confused...<br>
<br>
Incident Report ---validate---> Incident ---> Investigation<br>
|--------->Blocks (interface with sys admins/network ops)<br>
<br>
<br>
Now, this logic seems flawed because there is a link when creating an Incident Report to tie it to an incident, but not a in reverse. So this would tell me that the INCIDENT comes first, & from that an incident report.....<br>
<br>
Is the definition of incident report 1.) a report of an incident occurring or 2.) post-investigation wrap up of what happened?<br>
<br>
If it is #2 then the workflow would be:<br>
<br>
Incident ----validate---> investigation -----------> Incident Report (wrap up)<br>
|----> Blocks<br>
<br>
It seems like #1 based on the Janet Workflow and the fact that the Resolution field is in Incident not Incident Report but I do not understand why the link to an incident is set when the incident report is created.<br>
<br>
Thanks for your help in understanding this.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Kevin Holleran<br>
Master of Science, Computer Information Systems<br>
Grand Valley State University<br>
Master of Business Administration<br>
Western Michigan University<br>
SANS GCFA, SANS GCFE, CCNA, ISA, MCSA, MCDST, MCP<br>
<br>
"Do today what others won't, do tomorrow what others can't" - SEALFit<br>
<br>
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit." - Aristotle<br>
<br>
<br>
</div><div><div class="h5">On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Kevin Holleran <<a href="mailto:kdawg44@gmail.com">kdawg44@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:kdawg44@gmail.com">kdawg44@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
Thank you for the response, that definitely helps.<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thursday, February 14, 2013, Carlos Fuentes Bermejo wrote:<br>
Hiya Kevin,<br>
<br>
First answer the question about blocks, the blocks are used to interact with the Network guys, i.e. for asking a block of an IP(s) or port in the network, so you will be able to keep tracking of the talks with NOC guys, and all the actions you take over the network to solve the incident. In case you see the block queue is not useful for you, you can deactivate in the RTIR config file.<br>
<br>
About incidents, if you have two complaints in your incident reports queue related to two different IPs of your institution, or related to two different issues, you won't want to open only one single incident to handle everything, and mix the information you can receive, what you have to do is to open two different incidents, and each IR will be linked to its own incident, handling them separately, and launching investigations to fix the problems. You can be in front of cases where you have a incident report asking something, where you will have to open an incident, but an investigation won't be needed as you are acting as a security helpdesk team.<br>
<br>
I hope it clarify a bit more your workflow understanding, as James said the document is a bit basic, and I think it should be more complete, having use cases and more examples.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Carlos<br>
<br>
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<br>
On 14/02/2013, at 21:12, Kevin Holleran <<a href="mailto:kdawg44@gmail.com">kdawg44@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Thanks again. I am not understanding some of the workflow.<br>
<br>
An incident can be defined. One (or more?) incident reports can be linked to the incident. One or more investigations can be linked to the incident. What are the blocks for?<br>
<br>
Thank you!<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Kevin Holleran<br>
Master of Science, Computer Information Systems<br>
Grand Valley State University<br>
Master of Business Administration<br>
Western Michigan University<br>
SANS GCFA, SANS GCFE, CCNA, ISA, MCSA, MCDST, MCP<br>
<br>
"Do today what others won't, do tomorrow what others can't" - SEALFit<br>
<br>
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit." - Aristotle<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:33 AM, James Davis <<a href="mailto:james.davis@ja.net">james.davis@ja.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I just set up RT 3.8 with RT/IR. I am new to this and need to ramp<br>
> up quickly. What is a good resource rather than just fumbling<br>
> around and learning through trial and error or stumbling through<br>
> bits and pieces of documentation? I noticed the RT Essentials book<br>
> but I was wondering if it was dated based on the publication date.<br>
><br>
<a href="http://bestpractical.com/static/rtir/janet-workflow.pdf" target="_blank">http://bestpractical.com/static/rtir/janet-workflow.pdf</a> is a useful<br>
resource that explains the RTIR workflow[1].<br>
<br>
James<br>
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1. I may be a little biased.<br>
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