[rt-users] RT for Abuse handling? Bounce mail?

Lorens Kockum rt-id-45 at lists.lorens.org
Thu Feb 8 10:28:10 EST 2001

I'm a bit worried that I've not received more response to the
mail below.

Is there anyone out there actually using RT for abuse handling?
Does anyone know of other solutions that would be better at
handling abuse?  I've looked around, but haven't found anything.

As for handling bounces, I think I'll be able to do it myself if
no one else has done it.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 06:35:46PM +0100, Lorens Kockum wrote:
> I'm looking at RT for handling an "abuse" queue.  Does anyone
> have any experience with this that he'd care to share? (See
> below.)
> Right now I'm thinking about recording delivery notification
> failures, since the subject is often changed. Taking into
> account the formatting of our MTA's bounce messages is one
> thing, but has anyone tried compiling something to handle the
> bounce format of a lot of MTA's?
> For those who didn't follow the above paragraph, I'll try to
> restate it; I'm thinking about filtering RT mail through a
> script that will recognize delivery failures for mail sent by
> the RT users to the outside, and reformat those delivery notices
> so that RT knows to put them into the right ticket.
> FWIW, I include two mails I've written, searching for an abuse
> solution. RT was recommended. I think RT1 can cut it nicely,
> but RT2 seems to have extremely interesting additional features
> such as super-tickets and sub-tickets (fifty people complained
> abot this guy, the super-ticket is our correspondence with
> that guy, and the sub-tickets are the correspondence with the
> complainants, do I get the concept right?).
> Mail1
> % I'm in the market for an abuse desk solution, but I have
> % trouble finding candidates.  Maybe I just don't know the
> % magical words for Google et al. :-(
> %
> % After a first quick look, I'm afraid that the traditional
> % client e-amil handling solutions don't handle the fact that
> % there are two (or even more) channels of communication: you
> % reply to the complainant, you mail the accused's provider, the
> % accused himself if you get his e-mail, even the CERT. You have
> % to take into account that there will (hopefully) be a lot of
> % complaints for a single accused, the accused may not know who
> % complains unless you do it on purpose, but it should be easy
> % for the abuse handler to look up the status of a complaint
> % starting from the complainant's tracking number, etc. Of
> % course you need lots of statistics, you need the history and
> % status of an accused client of yours at your fingertips, etc.
> Mail2
> % My problem is that I just can't find any software that even
> % mentions abuse handling.
> %
> % Abuse handling, when it's well done, is a rather special
> % thing, after all. You have people writing in, and you reply to
> % them, like a normal helpdesk.  On the other hand, most of the
> % incoming complaints give rise to a complaint created by us,
> % which we have to track too.  You can have a hundred incoming
> % complaints for one outgoing complaint, so you have to have a
> % link between the incoming and the outgoing complaints, but you
> % can't let the complainant know the address of the person we're
> % complaining to -- legal problem.  Then there way be multiple
> % actions undertaken against one client (correspondence with
> % him, correspondence with the guy who actually removes his
> % access . . .).
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