[rt-users] Slow Ticket History 3.8.8

Justin Hayes justin.hayes at openbet.com
Mon Sep 13 04:33:38 EDT 2010


Nope it's been doing this ever since upgrading to 3.8.8. Putting in those changes from Torsten made no difference.

Cheers,

Justin

-------------------------------------------------
Justin Hayes
OpenBet Support Manager
justin.hayes at openbet.com

On 9 Sep 2010, at 16:19, Raed El-Hames wrote:

> Justin;
> 
> You must have implemented the DEFLATE
> The deflate stops the incremental load not RT .. defalte works by compressing the page and sending the compressed page which the browser then decompress.
> 
> Roy
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rt-users-bounces at lists.bestpractical.com [mailto:rt-users-
>> bounces at lists.bestpractical.com] On Behalf Of Justin Hayes
>> Sent: 09 September 2010 15:19
>> To: Kenneth Marshall
>> Cc: rt-users at lists.bestpractical.com Users
>> Subject: Re: [rt-users] Slow Ticket History 3.8.8
>> 
>> I actually liked the incremental page load, as I could read the start of
>> the ticket while the rest was loading, thus saving me a bit of time ;)
>> 
>> However this seems to have stopped since installing 3.8.8.....
>> 
>> Justin
>> 
>> -------------------------------------------------
>> Justin Hayes
>> OpenBet Support Manager
>> justin.hayes at openbet.com
>> 
>> On 9 Sep 2010, at 13:50, Kenneth Marshall wrote:
>> 
>>> One big win with enabling compression was that pages loaded in bigger
>>> pieces and you have less problems with users trying to type in an
>>> page that is unfinished with unpredictable results. With the DEFLATE
>>> on, the page all decompresses on the fast client instead of dribbling
>>> out from the server.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ken
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 08:13:28AM +0100, Justin Hayes wrote:
>>>> Aren't those options just compressing the page to send out to the
>> browser and caching the output?
>>>> 
>>>> We're on an internal gigabit network so seems unlikely that would help.
>> All our time goes on the server actually building the page to send out I
>> think.
>>>> 
>>>> Can try it though :)
>>>> 
>>>> Justin
>>>> 
>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>> Justin Hayes
>>>> OpenBet Support Manager
>>>> justin.hayes at openbet.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 7 Sep 2010, at 12:45, Torsten Brumm wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Justin,
>>>>> just created inside a RT Test VM (slow one with 500mb ram) a single
>> ticket with around 60 replies and some comments. Tested the speed with
>> different users
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. root user to open this ticket: around 26 sec -> 870 single sql
>> queries in around 4 sec! (Queries: http://pastebin.com/7Yekfx2Y)
>>>>> 2. user with full access (take, own, modify etc): around same time and
>> queries like root (Queries: http://pastebin.com/U0HnPcJL)
>>>>> 3. user with less rights (no take, no own, only showticket, seequeue):
>> time around 15 sec and 600 sql queries in around 2 sec! (Queries:
>> http://pastebin.com/fXDHu6im)
>>>>> 
>>>>> After this the apache starts to render the page from the results and
>> push them to the browser. The page is for my few comments/replies already
>> 206KB without any apache optimizations
>>>>> 
>>>>> After adding:
>>>>> 
>>>>>       SetOutputFilter DEFLATE
>>>>>       SetEnvIfNoCase Request_URI \.(?:gif|jpe?g|png)$  no-gzip dont-
>> vary
>>>>>       SetEnvIfNoCase Request_URI \.pdf$ no-gzip dont-vary
>>>>>       ExpiresActive On
>>>>>       ExpiresByType text/css "A604800"
>>>>> 
>>>>>       ExpiresByType image/x-icon "A31536000"
>>>>>       ExpiresByType image/gif "A604800"
>>>>>       ExpiresByType image/jpg "A604800"
>>>>>       ExpiresByType image/jpeg "A604800"
>>>>> 
>>>>>       ExpiresByType image/png "A604800"
>>>>>       ExpiresByType application/x-javascript A3600
>>>>>       Header set Cache-Control "must-revalidate"
>>>>> to the rt vhost, the page load time goes down from 26 sec to 8 sec and
>> from 206 kb to 10kb
>>>>> 
>>>>> you should try.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Torsten
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2010/9/7 Justin Hayes <justin.hayes at openbet.com>
>>>>> Well we've captured the time for all the queries run for our long
>> ticket (which takes ~20secs to generate).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Total query time is 0.871493s
>>>>> 
>>>>> So it's not the DB.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Justin
>>>>> 
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Justin Hayes
>>>>> OpenBet Support Manager
>>>>> justin.hayes at openbet.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 7 Sep 2010, at 11:13, Torsten Brumm wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Justin,
>>>>>> just found this threat, sounds interessting.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What i read so far: You have 1 quad core system with 8GB RAM, running
>> both WEB and DB, correct?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Think you should follow Raed's hints first to log the queries
>> generated with RT
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In terms of debug; if you have not done this yet enable DBIx-
>> SearchBuilder StatementLog
>>>>>>> Set($StatementLog,?debug?);  in your etc/RT_SiteConfig.
>>>>>> I'm sure you will find some funny queries. Normally the Query Log of
>> default MySQL can only log queries taking longer than a second, but in
>> your case i think, you will have several much faster queries but in
>> summary they take longer - but you can't find in mysql-slow log.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Some more question regarding your hardware and setup.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1. One Server / quad core (hyper threating) -> how many threats for
>> Mysql/Postgresql? / 8 GB Ram
>>>>>> 2. Hard Disk Setup? (logfiles and db storred on different HDD's? Any
>> I/O Problems?)
>>>>>> 3. RT Rights Setup, does the user performance is faster or slower
>> than the performance with root user?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Some more information?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We're running also a larger RT Instance with dedicated hardware for
>> DB and Webservers with no huge perferomance bottlenacks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tob
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2010/9/7 Justin Hayes <justin.hayes at openbet.com>
>>>>>> I *think* we're just CPU bound. Roy's webservers are 3.6ghz so quite
>> a bit faster than ours. We're going to try it on a faster server and that
>> should drop our times. Guess we just wanted to explore all avenues before
>> throwing hardware at the problem.
>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Justin Hayes
>>>>>> OpenBet Support Manager
>>>>>> justin.hayes at openbet.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 7 Sep 2010, at 10:30, Justin Hayes wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tried Centos last night, and no difference at all.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> Justin Hayes
>>>>>>> OpenBet Support Manager
>>>>>>> justin.hayes at openbet.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6 Sep 2010, at 20:49, Justin Hayes wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Ruslan,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sorry looks like I shrunk the image too much. The thing I find odd
>> is that there are others with similar hardware who don't get the problem.
>> It'll be great if 3.10 fixes it for me, but I'd love to get to the bottom
>> of it first. I'm pretty much positive it's not a DB issue, as I've tried
>> different sizes of DB, tried postgres AND mysql etc. I don't think it's
>> apache as I've tried the built in webserver with RT and no change there
>> either.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Currently trying to install RT on Centos given that Roy (who has
>> kindly been helping me with details of his own setup) appears to have none
>> of the same problems on that OS. Perhaps perl is just slow on the 64bit
>> ubuntu we've currently got live.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> No idea if it's going to have any effect though :(
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> Justin Hayes
>>>>>>>> OpenBet Support Manager
>>>>>>>> justin.hayes at openbet.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 6 Sep 2010, at 18:37, Ruslan Zakirov wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Justin.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> First of all, I can not read from the chart, but anyway history
>> rendering has been worked on in a new code branch. Probably this code will
>> be part of RT 3.10. Code at the moment is unstable, but eventually it wil
>> be faster then the current version.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Justin Hayes
>> <justin.hayes at openbet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> So far we've tried installing RT on different hardware, both 32
>> and 64bit versions of linux. RT is still very slow for long tickets. All
>> the time is taken up by the perl/apache process maxing out a core of CPU.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We've even gone as far as trying to profile the code. We came up
>> with this graph of where the time was going:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <TIMING.png>
>>>>>>>>> We then tried to go further into those functions but can't find a
>> single smoking gun call that is taking all the time.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> For example in a ticket that takes 22s to render approx 5 secs
>> goes on these 2 lines:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> File: Ticket/Elements/ShowHistory line: 100-103 version 3.8.8
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>      my @trans_attachments = grep { $_->TransactionId ==
>> $Transaction->Id } @attachments;
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>      grep { ($_->TransactionId == $Transaction->Id ) &&
>> ($trans_content->{$_->Id} = $_)  } @attachment_content;
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Both are greps. Does this imply that perl itself is just slow?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> IF so why would our perl be slow compared to other people's? We've
>> tried compiling it from source and that made no difference.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ATM we're at a bit of a loss....
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Justin Hayes
>>>>>>>>> OpenBet Support Manager
>>>>>>>>> justin.hayes at openbet.com
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2010, at 11:51, Raed El-Hames wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Justin,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Do you use Transaction custom fields, if you do n?t ; try and
>> comment out lines 70,71,72 from html/Ticket/Elements/ShowTransaction
>>>>>>>>>> % if ( $Transaction->CustomFieldValues->Count ) {
>>>>>>>>>>     <& /Elements/ShowCustomFields, Object => $Transaction &>
>>>>>>>>>> % }
>>>>>>>>>> See if that improves things for you.
>>>>>>>>>> Some of our monitoring tickets can have up to 500 updates, such
>> tickets use to take up to 20s to load, once I commented out the above
>> lines, load time is now down to less than 5 seconds.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Regards;
>>>>>>>>>> Roy
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> From: rt-users-bounces at lists.bestpractical.com [mailto:rt-users-
>> bounces at lists.bestpractical.com] On Behalf Of Justin Hayes
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 01 July 2010 11:39
>>>>>>>>>> To: Kenneth Crocker
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: rt-users at lists.bestpractical.com
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [rt-users] Slow Ticket History 3.8.8
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> We do Kenneth, but most tickets don't have many file attachments,
>> so I assume that's not an issue?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Justin Hayes
>>>>>>>>>> OpenBet Support Manager
>>>>>>>>>> justin.hayes at openbet.com
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2010, at 17:54, Kenneth Crocker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Justin,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I didn't see this mentioned and may have missed it, but are you
>> displaying attachements inline? That might cut back on the I/O for
>> History. Just a thought.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>> LBNL
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Justin Hayes
>> <justin.hayes at openbet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> As a test we've just created a long ticket in an empty RT DB and
>> it's very fast. So does look to be DB related - contrary to our earlier
>> investigations.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I guess it must still access the DB resultset during the ticket
>> rendering (which isn't how we thought it would work).
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Time to tune the hell out of mysql then.......
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Justin Hayes
>>>>>>>>>> OpenBet Support Manager
>>>>>>>>>> justin.hayes at openbet.com
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2010, at 15:53, Justin Hayes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Seem to be quite a few things to look at Jason. Need to figure
>> out what they all mean first.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -------- General Statistics ------------------------------------
>> --------------
>>>>>>>>>>> [--] Skipped version check for MySQLTuner script
>>>>>>>>>>> [OK] Currently running supported MySQL version 5.1.37-
>> 1ubuntu5.4-log
>>>>>>>>>>> [OK] Operating on 64-bit architecture
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -------- Storage Engine Statistics -----------------------------
>> --------------
>>>>>>>>>>> [--] Status: -Archive -BDB -Federated +InnoDB -ISAM -NDBCluster
>>>>>>>>>>> [--] Data in MyISAM tables: 611M (Tables: 8)
>>>>>>>>>>> [--] Data in InnoDB tables: 10G (Tables: 20)
>>>>>>>>>>> [!!] Total fragmented tables: 21
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -------- Performance Metrics -----------------------------------
>> --------------
>>>>>>>>>>> [--] Up for: 19d 19h 32m 37s (110M q [64.266 qps], 222K conn,
>> TX: 637B, RX: 39B)
>>>>>>>>>>> [--] Reads / Writes: 98% / 2%
>>>>>>>>>>> [--] Total buffers: 602.0M global + 134.8M per thread (150 max
>> threads)
>>>>>>>>>>> [!!] Maximum possible memory usage: 20.3G (262% of installed
>> RAM)
>>>>>>>>>>> [OK] Slow queries: 0% (229K/110M)
>>>>>>>>>>> [!!] Highest connection usage: 100%  (151/150)
>>>>>>>>>>> [OK] Key buffer size / total MyISAM indexes: 512.0M/6.7M
>>>>>>>>>>> [OK] Key buffer hit rate: 100.0% (84M cached / 7K reads)
>>>>>>>>>>> [OK] Query cache efficiency: 71.4% (76M cached / 107M selects)
>>>>>>>>>>> [!!] Query cache prunes per day: 661360
>>>>>>>>>>> [OK] Sorts requiring temporary tables: 0% (0 temp sorts / 2M
>> sorts)
>>>>>>>>>>> [!!] Joins performed without indexes: 112714
>>>>>>>>>>> [!!] Temporary tables created on disk: 33% (968K on disk / 2M
>> total)
>>>>>>>>>>> [OK] Thread cache hit rate: 99% (1K created / 222K connections)
>>>>>>>>>>> [OK] Table cache hit rate: 36% (318 open / 880 opened)
>>>>>>>>>>> [OK] Open file limit used: 14% (166/1K)
>>>>>>>>>>> [OK] Table locks acquired immediately: 99% (39M immediate / 39M
>> locks)
>>>>>>>>>>> [!!] InnoDB data size / buffer pool: 10.1G/8.0M
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -------- Recommendations ---------------------------------------
>> --------------
>>>>>>>>>>> General recommendations:
>>>>>>>>>>>  Run OPTIMIZE TABLE to defragment tables for better performance
>>>>>>>>>>>  Reduce your overall MySQL memory footprint for system
>> stability
>>>>>>>>>>>  Reduce or eliminate persistent connections to reduce
>> connection usage
>>>>>>>>>>>  Adjust your join queries to always utilize indexes
>>>>>>>>>>>  When making adjustments, make
>> tmp_table_size/max_heap_table_size equal
>>>>>>>>>>>  Reduce your SELECT DISTINCT queries without LIMIT clauses
>>>>>>>>>>> Variables to adjust:
>>>>>>>>>>> *** MySQL's maximum memory usage is dangerously high ***
>>>>>>>>>>> *** Add RAM before increasing MySQL buffer variables ***
>>>>>>>>>>>  max_connections (> 150)
>>>>>>>>>>>  wait_timeout (< 28800)
>>>>>>>>>>>  interactive_timeout (< 28800)
>>>>>>>>>>>  query_cache_size (> 16M)
>>>>>>>>>>>  join_buffer_size (> 2.0M, or always use indexes with joins)
>>>>>>>>>>>  tmp_table_size (> 128M)
>>>>>>>>>>>  max_heap_table_size (> 64M)
>>>>>>>>>>>  innodb_buffer_pool_size (>= 10G)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Justin Hayes
>>>>>>>>>>> OpenBet Support Manager
>>>>>>>>>>> justin.hayes at openbet.com
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2010, at 15:22, Jason Doran wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are using mysqld have a look at "mysqltuner.pl" perl
>> script (google)
>>>>>>>>>>>> This has fixed quickly many performance issues on both RT and
>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>> web-based software we use. I run this every few weeks and apply
>> suggested
>>>>>>>>>>>> changes and then simply restart mysqld when things are quite.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason Doran
>>>>>>>>>>>> Computer Centre
>>>>>>>>>>>> NUI, Maynooth
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2010, at 14:09, Justin Hayes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've raised this before, but we've had another look at it and
>> still can't see how to improve things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We put a lot of comments/replies in our tickets. Often there
>> can be 50-100 entries in a ticket, mostly plain text. Loading such a
>> ticket can take 10-20secs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have any slow queries - all the time seems to be in
>> the code rendering the history of the ticket.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We've had a go at stripping functions out of ShowHistory,
>> ShowTransaction and ShowTransactionAttachmments but not had much success.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FWIW our RT runs on quad 3ghz Xeons with 8gb of ram.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to try and determine if we're just slow, or if this
>> is just how long RT takes. Maybe perl is just slow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone shed any light on how long it takes them to render
>> long tickets in their systems? If you look at the page source it gives you
>> a value e.g.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <span>Time to display: 24.996907</span>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone share some numbers from theirs for longer tickets?
>> It would be really appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justin Hayes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenBet Support Manager
>>>>>>>>>>>>> justin.hayes at openbet.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
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>>>>> 
>>>>> Torsten Brumm
>>>>> 
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>>>> 
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