[Rtir] New RT/IR User

Kevin Holleran kdawg44 at gmail.com
Fri Mar 29 09:59:54 EDT 2013 

That was my understanding, its just the link between the Incident Report &
Incident is odd... You have to create an Incident Report, investigate, then
go BACK AFTER you create an incident to tie the incident to the incident
report.... just seems like a better workflow to add 1:M incident reports to
an incident (you could have one incident report turn into an incident or
perhaps three different people report the same behavior & treat it as one
incident) so that confused me.

Thanks for your help.


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Kevin Holleran
Master of Science, Computer Information Systems
Grand Valley State University
Master of Business Administration
Western Michigan University
SANS GCFA, SANS GCFE, CCNA, ISA, MCSA, MCDST, MCP

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On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 6:13 AM, James McLoughlin
<James.McLoughlin at ja.net>wrote:

> Hello Kevin,
>
> I think that you may be taking the word 'report' too literally.
> In this instance it is used to describe 'new information that has been
> received'.
>
> Take the following example:
> "We have had a report that there might be scanning coming from x.x.x.x.
> Please can you investigate.
> The Janet work flow would then compromise of the following:
>
> 1. Read 'incident report' (new information that has been received).
> 2. Validate
> 3. Decide whether to open an incident and start an investigation
>
> So an incident report is : a report of an incident occurring
>
>
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> Sent: 28 March 2013 19:59
> To: Carlos Fuentes (Forwarding)
> Cc: rtir at lists.bestpractical.com
> Subject: Re: [Rtir] New RT/IR User
>
> Good afternoon,
>
> I have configured both an RT/IR instance for Incident Response & an RT4
> instance that we are going to use for a handful of approval workflows.
>  Through this process, I think I understand a bit better how RT works.  I
> have also reviewed the JANET.pdf document which led me to the below
> workflow.
>
> However, I am still confused...
>
> Incident Report ---validate---> Incident ---> Investigation
>                                                  |--------->Blocks
> (interface with sys admins/network ops)
>
>
> Now, this logic seems flawed because there is a link when creating an
> Incident Report to tie it to an incident, but not a in reverse.  So this
> would tell me that the INCIDENT comes first, & from that an incident
> report.....
>
> Is the definition of incident report 1.)  a report of an incident
> occurring or 2.) post-investigation wrap up of what happened?
>
> If it is #2 then the workflow would be:
>
> Incident ----validate---> investigation    -----------> Incident Report
> (wrap up)
>                                       |----> Blocks
>
> It seems like #1 based on the Janet Workflow and the fact that the
> Resolution field is in Incident not Incident Report but I do not understand
> why the link to an incident is set when the incident report is created.
>
> Thanks for your help in understanding this.
>
> --
> Kevin Holleran
> Master of Science, Computer Information Systems
> Grand Valley State University
> Master of Business Administration
> Western Michigan University
> SANS GCFA, SANS GCFE, CCNA, ISA, MCSA, MCDST, MCP
>
> "Do today what others won't, do tomorrow what others can't" - SEALFit
>
> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a
> habit." - Aristotle
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Kevin Holleran <kdawg44 at gmail.com<mailto:
> kdawg44 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Thank you for the response, that definitely helps.
>
>
> On Thursday, February 14, 2013, Carlos Fuentes Bermejo wrote:
> Hiya Kevin,
>
> First answer the question about blocks, the blocks are used to interact
> with the Network guys, i.e. for asking a block of an IP(s) or port in the
> network, so you will be able to keep tracking of the talks with NOC guys,
> and all the actions you take over the network to solve the incident. In
> case you see the block queue is not useful for you, you can deactivate in
> the RTIR config file.
>
> About incidents, if you have two complaints in your incident reports queue
> related to two different IPs of your institution, or related to two
> different issues, you won't want to open only one single incident to handle
> everything, and mix the information you can receive, what you have to do is
> to open two different incidents, and each IR will be linked to its own
> incident, handling them separately, and launching investigations to fix the
> problems. You can be in front of cases where you have a incident report
> asking something, where you will have to open an incident, but an
> investigation won't be needed as you are acting as a security helpdesk team.
>
> I hope it clarify a bit more your workflow understanding, as James said
> the document is a bit basic, and I think it should be more complete, having
> use cases and more examples.
>
> Cheers,
> Carlos
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 14/02/2013, at 21:12, Kevin Holleran <kdawg44 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks again.  I am not understanding some of the workflow.
>
> An incident can be defined.  One (or more?) incident reports can be linked
> to the incident.  One or more investigations can be linked to the incident.
>  What are the blocks for?
>
> Thank you!
>
>
> --
> Kevin Holleran
> Master of Science, Computer Information Systems
> Grand Valley State University
> Master of Business Administration
> Western Michigan University
> SANS GCFA, SANS GCFE, CCNA, ISA, MCSA, MCDST, MCP
>
> "Do today what others won't, do tomorrow what others can't" - SEALFit
>
> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a
> habit." - Aristotle
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:33 AM, James Davis <james.davis at ja.net> wrote:
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> On 12/02/2013 15:20, Kevin Holleran wrote:
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> > I just set up RT 3.8 with RT/IR.  I am new to this and need to ramp
> > up quickly.  What is a good resource rather than just fumbling
> > around and learning through trial and error or stumbling through
> > bits and pieces of documentation?  I noticed the RT Essentials book
> > but I was wondering if it was dated based on the publication date.
> >
> http://bestpractical.com/static/rtir/janet-workflow.pdf is a useful
> resource that explains the RTIR workflow[1].
>
> James
>
> 1. I may be a little biased.
>
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> Kevin Holleran
> Master of Science, Computer Information Systems
> Grand Valley State University
> Master of Business Administration
> Western Michigan University
> SANS GCFA, SANS GCFE, CCNA, ISA, MCSA, MCDST, MCP
>
> "Do today what others won't, do tomorrow what others can't" - SEALFit
>
> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a
> habit." - Aristotle
>
>
>
> Janet(UK) is a trading name of Jisc Collections and Janet Limited, a
> not-for-profit company which is registered in England under No. 2881024
> and whose Registered Office is at Lumen House, Library Avenue,
> Harwell Oxford, Didcot, Oxfordshire. OX11 0SG. VAT No. 614944238
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