FYI, 'make test; on trunk/ t/05svm-copy.....................ok 1/2 unexpectedly succeeded TODO PASSED test 1 Revision: 8166 Last Changed Rev.: 8166 Chisel -- Chisel Wright e: chisel at herlpacker.co.uk w: http://www.herlpacker.co.uk/ If you're looking for sympathy you'd have better luck looking between R and T in the dictionary.